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1. 00:01 dreamreal kcomhnall: hahaha wait what
2. 00:12 kcomhnall eh, nevermind. I was asking what folks use for wireframing their project's schema. Last thing I used was Figma.com or something. I just used AI for a quick mock up svg but I can't edit it on the fly.
3. 00:14 dreamreal I don't diagram much, because I'm not that kind of learner, but when I'm asked to diagram, it's plantuml in asciidoc.
4. 00:14 * kcomhnall also thought I had to pay for jakarta.validation cause intellij said I need to use ultimate to pull it in - but I see just adding the artifact to my build.gradle.kts file works fine
5. 00:14 dreamreal (It's also rarely UML itself, plantuml does a lot of diagramming things.)
6. 00:14 dreamreal heh
7. 00:14 dreamreal jetbrains-- yeah, IDEA doesn't require you to do ANYTHING to use java
8. 00:14 nevet jetbrains now has karma of -1.
9. 00:16 dreamreal That's misleading, probably YOU misreading to be honest but that's still on them
10. 00:17 kcomhnall well it didn't say to upgrade it's was just the only option rather than [install]
11. 00:19 dreamreal *nod*
12. 00:19 dreamreal I'm sure they'd prefer you upgraded, and honestly it's worth it, but that's up to YOU
13. 00:23 kcomhnall might be worth it - costs about 1 1/2 worth of work. wish it was a one-time payment though.
14. 00:24 kcomhnall like how ms office is
15. 00:25 kcomhnall eh.. 1 1/2 hrs worth of work*
16. 00:29 * kcomhnall referring to the yearly subscription (if not obvious)
17. 00:29 kcomhnall making $20 is soooo 2023
18. 01:13 dmlloyd the trick with intellij is that if it asks whether you want to detect frameworks, you say "no"
19. 06:41 Para kcomhnall: app.diagrams.net if I really want to make fancy graphs beforehand or for documentation purposes. Some kind of bastardization of UML, but definitely not UML.
20. 06:44 Para re: plantuml, https://github.com/plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML is excellent when it comes to architectural drawings
21. 06:44 nevet GitHub - plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML: C4-PlantUML combines the benefits of PlantUML and the C4 model for providing a simple way of describing and communicate software architectures
22. 06:44 javabot Para's title: "GitHub - plantuml-stdlib/C4-PlantUML: C4-PlantUML combines the benefits of PlantUML and the C4 model for providing a simple way of describing and communicate software architectures · GitHub"
23. 06:44 Para But that's not really about schema, I generally don't care to document the "how" level of anything, as that's supposed to change over time anyway as requirements clarify.