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14:32 dob1_ I don't know who are gradle devs but really every version update is a nightmare... imho it is like tr*sh, it has to be a tool to help developers not to complicated their life!!! and even with AI it is difficult to upgrade a build.grdle
14:33 dob1_ and you cannot skip a versione because if you update your java version if you have to update gradle too
14:36 dob1_ I don't understand what they do moving something somewhere else with a different name and with a different context. What they will archive with modifications like this one ?
14:37 dob1_ (sorry for the rant)
15:18 dreamreal dob1_: this is why I don't use gradle any more in my own projects
15:18 dreamreal the devs have a policy of progress, period, so if they think something's good, there it is, compatibility be damned, that's what version locking is for
15:18 dreamreal gradlew is your friend
15:19 dreamreal and all this is known, none of it's hidden or private, it's public knowledge
15:20 dreamreal gradle's really good until it's not, welcome to adulthood, I guess, I dunno
15:24 Zapek I thought they improved lately. haven't had any big breaks for years
15:26 dob1_ for me it seems like some gradle devs wakeup in the morning and says "what if we remove this or add this one"
15:27 dob1_ maybe there are some secret plans that you have to read all the manual every time to understand them, but it doesn't seems that they changes will improve the tool in a very useful way... they are just changes
15:31 dreamreal I think they're conceptual changes, I mean, they HAVE a sort of vision and they're moving toward it, but it's not a written spec to comply with, it's "let's make this the best tool we can think of"
15:31 dreamreal and they keep thinking of slightly different things
15:34 dob1_ it's like an "abuse" of semantic versioning
15:34 Para Their vision's biggest issue is that they're vision is to be all the things, while normally vision should focus onto being one very specific thing.
15:35 dreamreal Para: ++
15:35 nevet Para now has karma of 3.
15:35 dreamreal dob1_: Well, semantic versioning IS only a suggestion... and if they obeyed it, we'd be on gradle 58 now! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!?!?!?!
15:36 dob1_ no :)
15:38 dob1_ you said there is a vision well I don't know because I think that people who started and worked on the projectd changed in the years, so they are supporting a vision that has change though the years
15:38 dreamreal Teh current developers' vision is not the same as the originators', necessarily
15:38 dreamreal that's how project handovers work
15:42 dob1_ for java it is like one tool that you can use, even if it is very popular, but for android I know it is mandatory. And they are not affected by all these changes every version?
15:43 dreamreal gradlew is your friend, I think I mentioned that already, it's almost like I meant it
15:43 dob1_ I use the wrapper
15:43 dreamreal it is your friend and defender
15:43 dreamreal avoid it at your peril
15:44 dob1_ it's not, if you want to upgrade your java version you must update gradle too
15:45 dreamreal foojay is no help?
15:45 dob1_ I didn't know this site
15:46 dreamreal it's a gradle plugin
15:48 dob1_ I read about it and imhook the main problem is still there, when you run a gradle task with a new gradle/java version it gives you a lot of errors.
15:49 dreamreal bummer. I leave our gradle build to someone else, and we don't build for android
15:51 dob1_ me too, I don't build for android. It was a consideration
15:52 dreamreal I'm just glad I can pawn it off: we have an incredible build system, it's truly awesome, I'd never be able to build it the way we do
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