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1. 17:05 dmlloyd any bazel fans in the house?
2. 17:06 dmlloyd I can't say I am, because of some really weird decisions they made, but a Quarkus contributor wrote an (admittedly AI-assisted) essay about Quarkus+bazel integration that is frankly a fascinating read: https://github.com/quarkusio/quarkus/discussions/54762
3. 17:06 nevet First-class Bazel support for Quarkus · quarkusio/quarkus · Discussion #54762
4. 17:06 javabot dmlloyd's title: "First-class Bazel support for Quarkus · quarkusio/quarkus · Discussion #54762 · GitHub"
5. 17:37 dreamreal I'm not exactly a bazel fan, because it's sort of a broad tool
6. 17:38 dreamreal but the polyglot nature of bazel might make sense for the java-25-ffm-enabled world
7. 17:40 cheeser we use it in most of our repos here except for the kotlin/micronaut repo i work most of the time in.
8. 17:40 cheeser still no fucking clue how to use it. i let claude figure it out and hope for the best.
9. 17:40 dreamreal I've got gradle calling out to rust for a native module
10. 17:47 Tenchi dreamreal: how do people handle the java ffm world at the moment ?
11. 17:47 dreamreal "poorly"
12. 17:48 dreamreal we actually have to use JNI, as we formally target Java 17
13. 17:48 Tenchi i was just typing '"poorly" is a valid response'
14. 17:48 dreamreal We can't enable FFM for our clients
15. 17:50 cheeser you can if you have the will to. if you're strong enough.
16. 17:50 dreamreal Spoken like someone who doesn't know who our clients are :D
17. 17:51 cheeser nor care! ;)
18. 17:51 dreamreal or care, right :D
19. 17:51 cheeser (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
20. 17:51 dreamreal besides, JNI is working for our spikes... well enough that we might be able to get the spikes accepted
21. 18:47 jbosmans i thought ffm was still in preview as of 25, but realized i confused it with the vector api
22. 18:47 jbosmans *got it mixed up with
23. 20:00 dmlloyd smart people use `smallrye-ffm` 🧠
24. 20:01 Para I might actually next week try to do Something with it.
25. 20:03 comrad I use the Java 25 ffi just today. Seems nice than creating header files for JNI
26. 20:09 dreamreal dmlloyd: does it work on java 17, though
27. 20:30 dmlloyd it'll work on java 17 code... you'll get some errors at run time though!