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10:58 odinsbane I've got a strange issue with native libraries, jna specifically. I can bundle the native libraries in a jar file and include it in the classpath and everything works. The issue arises when another jar file contains a similar but wrong architecture dylib.
10:59 odinsbane How do I/java know which jar file to find the .dylib?
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12:02 cheeser you'd have to scan your classpath
12:03 dreamreal https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/04/jetbrains-survey-why-ai-stops-at-the-ci-cd-edge
12:03 javabot dreamreal's title: "JetBrains Survey: Why AI Stops at the CI/CD Edge | bytecode.news"
12:07 deebo our aws support guys are pushing haaaaard on ai stuff for infra and ci/cd automation
12:08 deebo "just use it, free tokens with your enterprise support, it's not addictive and the price won't increase"
12:09 deebo like spending 10k/mo on infra, and 100k/mo on log storage
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12:54 Para deebo: Just ask them "Aren't you the guys who deleted an entire datacenter because of an AI prompt got out of hand?"
12:55 Para 1) this is in accurate so they would need to correct on what actually happened 2) :)
12:55 Para *inaccurate, wth
12:57 Tenchi hahahahha
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15:04 dmlloyd 60% unclear use cases :think
15:04 dmlloyd :thinking:
15:04 dmlloyd god dammit irccloud, have some intuitive completion for a change
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15:06 dmlloyd active AI triggered by CI is a terrible idea though, great way to start hemorrhaging money
15:06 dmlloyd automatic CI is already expensive enough
15:10 Para oh, I smell a new hype term
15:10 Para Begone CI/CD, welcome AI/AD. Now just have to figure out a good backronym from that.
15:13 Drixtan we are getting closer to AC/DC, I like it.
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15:33 DoofusCanadensis Automatic Compiling/Delivering Continuously
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15:55 jsmooth Hello all. I'm considering writing an alternative to an available software (which is written in C++ and JS I believe). The software is KDE-Connect (on phone) and GSConnect (Linux Desktop). WOuld Java be a good language to write the client (GSconnect alternative)?
15:55 dreamreal Do you know Java? What does the application do?
15:55 jsmooth I've used Java before, years ago. It would be a phone-to-pc syncing software.
15:56 jsmooth FOr texts and images, notifications, that sort of thing.
15:56 jsmooth GSConnect is buggy, I find, and the geek in me is telling me to try to write something better.
15:56 dreamreal I mean, the hardware access layer is going to be the "hard part"
15:58 jsmooth I'm not sure if I actually need to write that part since GSConnec uses KDE-connect being installed on the phone. I know kde-connect does a lot of dbus signaling.
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15:59 dreamreal well, if you can access the data, java should be fine
15:59 jsmooth I don't have kde-connect installed on desktop, so I don't know if gsconnect is doing anything with hardware directly..but I do know the shell extension is written in js
15:59 DoofusCanadensis that's just allowing data to be shared between phone and desktop, yes?
15:59 jsmooth Yes.
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16:00 jsmooth You have to pair the devices from one or both ends (via same wifi network) in the gsconnect extension.
16:02 DoofusCanadensis and, technically, kdeconnect on android is pretty close to java anyway
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23:05 mawk can I easily delete methods in a .class file?
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23:46 zim Are the companies using Java but without the Annotation Magic, such as Spring Boot seems to require?
23:51 Drixtan zim: I am not sure what you are asking here, do you mean - without annotation at all?
23:51 r0bby Why wouldn't you want annotations? They eliminate boilerplate
23:52 r0bby and make things easier
23:52 zim Drixtan, as little annotations as possible.
23:52 Drixtan zim: like r0bby, annotations are an important part of all frameworks, quarkus included. It's not a Spring Boot problem per se, it's a clean way to declare your "configuration". Would you perfer go back with all the xml configuration files ?
23:53 r0bby zim: what's your aversion to annotations?
23:53 zim it's too much hidden logic, hard to reason about, or debug
23:53 Drixtan if I am not mistaken, you can still code without annotation, but prepare yourself to create a hibernate.cfg.xml and so on, if it's still supported.
23:54 r0bby zim: Not...really if you understand what they do?
23:54 zim In other languages annotations are not really prevalent, javascript, golang
23:54 Drixtan zim: an abstraction, via inheritance, or annotation, or a config files, or... is still an abstraction. You have to learn the concept and what they are doing.
23:55 Drixtan golang, you will use functions, like fiber, you will use app.Get("/", whatever) instead of @GET("/")
23:55 Drixtan I don't see the difference really
23:55 r0bby zim: Then go use those languages...I feel like you're just fighting the languages
23:55 r0bby Annotations are pretty easy for me to understand
23:56 zim I'm here asking if there are companies out there that use java, but do not use Spring or other Java annotation heavy frameworks.
23:56 Drixtan no.
23:56 r0bby zim: Learn how those annotations work and they're pretty easy to debug.
23:57 r0bby Don't code like language X in language Y. Learn idiomatic ways of doing things
23:58 zim Well, I've worked with Spring Boot for a year. The framework is layers of layers of abstractions and indirections, it felt more like configuring rather than really programming.
23:59 r0bby zim: welcome to Spring in general.
23:59 zim Once I tried to find out where a header was set in the framework and to change it, took me way too long, had to dig into the horrible spring source code, because the docs weren't enough.