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  1. Tenchi screw you, gradle
  2. dreamreal and the chorus hums in agreement. "Screw you, gradle, you're no longer able, your strength is a fable, built.. on... lies."
  3. dreamreal What'd it do now? :D
  4. waz sounds like gradle said 'screw you Tenchi
  5. Tenchi waz: yes, but not before wispering sweet nothings in my ear for N hours and then finally "nya nya just kidding screw you"
  6. waz just like last time!
  7. dreamreal ... and like next time will be
  8. dreamreal go ahead, Tenchi: we know your words will be "... I just cain't quit yew"
  9. cheeser i'm allergic to all conifers so i needed to quit yew
  10. ptomli Gradle, for the youngsters who think they can rebuild Maven in 2 years
  11. ptomli I, on the other hand, have decided I will vocalise my hatred of SIP
  12. Para In the back of my mind is a build tool which really just recursively creates processbuilders to run arbitrary tools based on schema-like data structure.
  13. Para This idea is motivated by Certain Kinda Bad Buildtool, so it's not meant to be good at all.
  14. dreamreal SIP?
  15. dreamreal Like, the protocol?
  16. dreamreal Para: checked out mill or bld?
  17. dreamreal and BTW ant is still around :D
  18. Para dreamreal: No, unless you can promote them as inspirational for more layers of bad.
  19. Para Ant is also a motivation for this crap :D
  20. dreamreal they're just different; amper is out there, too
  21. dreamreal ~amper
  22. javabot dreamreal, what does that even *mean*?
  23. dreamreal mill
  24. dreamreal ~mill
  25. javabot dreamreal, what does that even *mean*?
  26. dreamreal ~bld
  27. javabot Bld is a new build system that uses Java for its build logic. It's geared towards building RIFE2 projects but can be used for anything else; note that it's very new and very raw and will likely grow new features quickly. See https://github.com/rife2/rife2/wiki/What-Is-Bld for more.
  28. Para Part of the core idea is that since a lot of things are nowadays standalone tools, why not provide a DSL for running said tool using some ~magic~ logic to 1) figure out where the tool executable is and 2) what is the general scheme of its parameters and then map a bunch of data onto that, recursive shell exec is done so that one can promote "state sharing" by literal env pollution and such.
  29. dreamreal ~just
  30. javabot dreamreal, what does that even *mean*?
  31. dreamreal hrm
  32. dreamreal cmake and make are there, too
  33. Para The end goal is to show this tool and end it with a "And even with all this, I think this is better than <your crap tool>!"
  34. Para Problem of course is that that's quite a lot of doing for such a simple spite.
  35. ptomli Para: SIP the protocol, yes. But I suspect SIP the protocol providers is my real anger source
  36. dreamreal Para: I'm apparently chopped liver here :D
  37. Para dreamreal: liver casserole is delicious, it's a Finnish staple
  38. dreamreal are you guys the morons who gave us lutefisk and casa marzu, too? Haggis we can blame on the UK
  39. Para Lutefisk is Swedish. Or wait, hm
  40. dreamreal both end with "ish" so clearly the same or something
  41. Para Umm, damn. It's from the middle ages and also from these parts. Maybe we did?
  42. Para It's very goopy.
  43. * dreamreal shudders
  44. dreamreal I use lutefisk to get out of participating in pot-luck dinners
  45. dreamreal "What'll you bring" "Lutefisk! Maybe some haggis!" "Please don't bother" "ok!"
  46. dreamreal I would take casa marzu but it's illegal here
  47. Para If someone tries to trick you by saying that you must participate and not bring those, you should try bringing over some mämmi.
  48. * dreamreal writes that down
  49. Para I mean look at it, 9/10 foreigners who are aware of it have the same reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi
  50. nevet Mämmi - Wikipedia
  51. dreamreal the thing is, I'm an awful cook
  52. dreamreal hah
  53. dreamreal I wish I had a camera to capture my expression, I could FEEL it
  54. Para (it's apparently an acquired taste but actually pretty good, one description I've heard is "Guinness pudding")
  55. dreamreal I looked at it and was going "what ... what IS that?"
  56. dreamreal it actually sounds halfway decent though
  57. dreamreal I wonder if world market has it
  58. Para Yeh, it's just got very unfortunate look.
  59. Para I'm sure there's an angle for selling it in the States, as it's completely OK to load it with heavy cream and sugar.
  60. dreamreal We have plenty of people who avoid the traditional US eating practices, too, you know :D
  61. dreamreal the memes are funny but not as normal as they're made to appear
  62. cheeser ~litharge++
  63. nevet ~litharge now has karma of 1.
  64. javabot litharge has a karma level of 1, cheeser
  65. cheeser someday i'll back that in to the bot. litharge isn't quite a responsive as I'd like.
  66. dreamreal I still don't trust bots enough to want them to have ops like that
  67. cheeser kinda, yeah.
  68. dreamreal nevet could do it but ... nah. Besides, nevet's design isn't centered enough on IRC.
  69. dreamreal I have a PR for nevet waiting on approval to actually handle GDPR and OIDC login concerns: still no UI but the endpoints are getting more solider, shall we say
  70. dreamreal I am, BTW, learning a great preference for GDPR: I find I prefer skynet to get europe first thanks to GDPR. Everywhere else can enjoy the five minutes before THEIR annihilation in peace.
  71. dreamreal I think I could tolerate GDPR if it was better-specified for people like me.
  72. GreenResponse skynet… rubbish. It’ll be all neo Middle Ages in Russkiy Mir
  73. GreenResponse cultivating kartoshka for Mongol overlords
  74. * geenvoud didn't expect racial othering of potatoes on #java
  75. GreenResponse you meant to say taters I guess
  76. geenvoud cultivated by tater-mongols?
  77. GreenResponse yep, they ingest them in both solid and liquid form
  78. Para dreamreal: The actual directive is pretty easy reading, but I do get your point. It's required quite a few "fucking hell, this is what we meant, stop being prissy" documents.
  79. Para Especially in the enforcing part :P
  80. dreamreal I even understand the motive, I have no problem with the motivation, but it's nuts
  81. Para Well, it's a result of everyone ignoring a previous, more relaxed directive.
  82. Para DSA is in the same evolution of directives, it's just taken a long time.
  83. Para One thing that's not exactly in the directive btw is that everyone who handles personal data is nowadays considered a controller.
  84. Para This was changed a few years back because people were apparently setting up shell companies to get around this.
  85. Para And the requirement to tell who you've shared the data with is also now transitive.
  86. dreamreal MY app is lucky, because it's pretty simple in that regard and I'm not interested in sharing captured personalized information with anyone in any way that's not horribly obvious (i.e., if you provide your name, it's going to be used to show that content you contributed as contributed by you)
  87. Para And that's pretty much just a "We use your name to show it next to content" in the...whatever it's called, register usage report or smth.
  88. Para Btw, UK is to blame for the cookie consent banners.
  89. Para Wouldn't have happened without them. And then they did the Brexit thing. Yay.