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12. 04:56 deebo what does modulith actually do in practice? does it properly restrict the visibility of the modules internals etc?
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27. 12:18 dreamreal postgresql 19 in beta!
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30. 12:48 dreamreal https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mal-no_leadership-softwareengineering-techculture-share-7470399679105687552-CSQZ/
31. 12:48 javabot dreamreal's title: "#leadership #softwareengineering #techculture | Malin Nordström | 26 comments"
32. 12:48 nevet #leadership #softwareengineering #techculture | Malin Nordström | 26 comments
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34. 13:06 Para dreamreal: Any specific highlights?
35. 13:12 dreamreal Pretty much all of it. It's a pretty depressing list: I read it going "heyyyy waitasec"
36. 13:12 dreamreal I've been at places where ALL of those things were said, apart from the specific names
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38. 13:31 sbalmos dreamreal: thanks for the first-of-morning depressingly-true read
39. 13:39 dreamreal any time, my friend
40. 13:43 GreenResponse chicken farm, human farm: spot the difference
41. 13:44 sbalmos one is more nutritious
42. 13:45 dreamreal it's the human one, right?
43. 13:46 sbalmos dreamreal: you've seen me. I think you know the answer.
44. 13:47 dreamreal Well, you avoided the "looks like human" part of the human farm, they skipped you because you looked like chicken
45. 13:48 GreenResponse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Wt4n1RpdI
46. 13:48 nevet YouTube: Mark Knopfler - Cannibals (Official Video) | MarkKnopflerVEVO
47. 13:48 javabot GreenResponse's title: "Mark Knopfler - Cannibals (Official Video) - YouTube"
48. 13:49 GreenResponse the title says it all
49. 13:54 cheeser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vnM9I7HIo
50. 13:54 nevet YouTube: Jonathan Coulton's Re: Your Brains | Föllmi
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53. 14:38 Chronos I've learned the hard way to never bother to try to change current processes.
54. 14:39 Chronos 99%+ of the time, nothing meaningfully changes anyway. And it tends to get you labeled as a pain in the ass.
55. 14:40 Para +1
56. 14:43 cheeser we do all our rfc/spec work in google docs rather than github/markdown so editing, revising, commenting is all super fun.
57. 14:44 cheeser i've whine several times but unsurprisingly no one gives a shit.
58. 14:58 dreamreal Chronos: I've managed to create some positive change, I think
59. 14:58 dreamreal it's just slow and often rewarded with lashes
60. 14:59 dreamreal "... dadgum troublemaker fixed all our crap..."
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65. 15:46 Chronos No good deed goes unpunished.
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85. 22:14 jreicher dreamreal: what's the context for that Malin Nordström post?
86. 22:15 jreicher Chronos: Para: I've spent almost my entire career changing processes. It's almost always been worth it.
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89. 22:41 Chronos jreicher: Were you in management?
90. 22:52 jreicher Nope
91. 22:52 jreicher But I had a very strong relationship with my manager (and their manager). That's crucial.
92. 22:53 jreicher And teammates who weren't afraid to argue with me. I often make a point of calling out my own mistakes or stupidities to encourage that by reminding them I'm fallible. I'm usually the person asking the dumb question in every room so nobody is afraid to argue with me at other times.
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