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12:31 dreamreal dang it, I need co-authors.
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13:59 Para dreamreal: Co-authored-by: Claude
13:59 dreamreal except that's not actually a valid co-author
14:00 dreamreal the LLMs acan be very useful in a lot of ways but they're not human and pretending otherwise is dumb
14:04 Para I jest. I've recently made my LLM agents emit those to commits, main identity still being myself.
14:04 Para (I'm currently working on removing git access entirely from LLMs, needed it as stopgap solution)
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16:41 Yakov how good/resource heavy java gui?
16:42 ernimril about the same as any other gui
16:43 Para Thanks to Electron the comparison goalpost took a trip to orbit so some could even consider it light at this point.
16:45 Yakov if compare to Qt and C#?
16:45 Para Qt is native (if you stay away from the HTML5 components) so it's impossible to beat, C# I have no idea at this point.
16:45 dreamreal Yakov: I'm not sure what you're asking, and the nature of teh UI is entirely relevant
16:46 ernimril Yakov, how much comparison can you do? do you have the exact same program implements in both? As I said, about the same
16:46 Yakov thats big! thank you folks
16:47 Para You can use Qt from Java as well but this goes to It Depends territory; what are you trying to achieve?
16:47 Para ref. https://www.qtjambi.io/
16:47 nevet Qtjambi Io [TLS certificate invalid]
16:47 ernimril Yakov, I am one of a few here that have worked on big desktop apps for java, I have not seen any problem with it as such. Now, doing good UI is very hard, but it is the UI that is hard, not the platform you choose
16:48 Yakov Jambi in Indonesia?
16:49 Yakov well, I want to make my own gui, starting from drawing dots in assembly, but for current task I want to switch from qt to java for some reason, it looks fine from a first glance, but I suspect it might not max efficient in comparison to some unknown yet vendor
16:50 dreamreal Yakov: "max efficiency" is a will-o-the-wisp
16:50 Yakov hard to deploy, debug, resource heavy etc
16:50 ernimril you do not want to draw pixels for a modern gui, you want hardware support... but sure go for vulcan if you want
16:50 Para We're at "give datacenters all the drinking water" stage of max efficiency...
16:50 dreamreal make it work well enough. Java's fine; plenty of people go "Java sucks for UI" while using IntelliJ for their IDE, completely forgetting that IDEA is written in 100% Java for the UI
16:51 Para Is JavaFX vector based? Not that it really matters.
16:51 Yakov Qt written with Java?
16:51 dreamreal and Java can do images fine, too: you could write Minecraft in pure java now if you wanted to.
16:51 Yakov I mean its IDE
16:51 Yakov 23:50:36 <ernimril> you do not want to draw pixels for a modern gui, you want hardware support... but sure go for vulcan if you want
16:51 Para JetBrains has their own LAFs they've built over time. It's still just Swing, I think?
16:51 dreamreal Still just Swing.
16:51 Yakov ^ i want to go deeper and do my own kind of vulcan
16:52 dreamreal Yakov: java can render pixels in the UI, you'd draw on a panel and let java render it
16:52 ernimril swing, but with some patches
16:52 dreamreal java2d is fine, so is javafx
16:52 dreamreal but if you're trying to create your own tree/rendering pipeline, you may want to consider why
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21:59 NeXeN Para: ya ...uh yeah it is
21:59 NeXeN Para: but you might be confusing "vector based" with pixel pushing
22:00 NeXeN javafx uses uh whats it called like retained scene graph or whatever
22:00 NeXeN they're mathematically defined by their geometry not by pixel like pixel pushers
22:05 NeXeN or sorry didn't mean to imply you were confused, what i meant to say is most people assume that about javafx's canvas
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