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33. 11:19 dreamreal https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/06/a-picture-can-only-fail-a-vibe-check
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36. 11:38 jreicher How funny. As we speak I am using a diagram-generated-from-source
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41. 11:59 dreamreal using what?
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43. 12:02 jreicher The builtin Emacs LSP client can show a (collapsible) tree diagram of the type hierarchy (as supplied by the language server). Would be nicer if it could do a DAG as I have some diamond inheritance, but I'm still appreciating that it does anything like this at all as the type hierarchy I've ended up with is quite complicated (for me).
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45. 12:11 dreamreal IntelliJ has had an active UML diagram for a while - and it was heavily influenced by together/j's design
46. 12:11 dreamreal the idea isn't new at all
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48. 12:17 deebo i used some "generate plantuml" idea plugin a few times that supported databases, language types etc, but had to remove it for one reason or another
49. 12:19 cheeser UML is underrated. largely because back in the day it was overhyped.
50. 12:19 jreicher dreamreal: oh I know the idea isn't new, I'm just glad it's present in more tools now. I expect LSP is still a bit behind IntelliJ in this regard though.
51. 12:19 jreicher Love UML. Particularly for this (complicated class designs)
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65. 12:26 dmlloyd I used to be quite a fan of UML for class diagrams. But these days, I find a collapsable tree-formatted hierarchy view to be much more useful and practical
66. 12:29 cheeser except type hierarchies usually aren't trees. but if you only care about the the concrete types that works, too.
67. 12:30 cheeser i need to build ... *something* for this rats nest of types we have here at work. data classes with delegated properties and interfaces.
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72. 12:35 sbalmos cheeser: a hall of rotating mirrors suspended from the ceiling on moveable tracks
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74. 12:36 dreamreal mounted in a hypercube...
75. 12:36 sbalmos y'know, it might just be easier if you found a picture of the ignition laser amplifier at the NIF
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82. 13:16 Harzilein p port rep
83. 13:16 Harzilein ewin
84. 13:17 dreamreal Harzilein: hunter2
85. 13:18 sbalmos dreamreal: e9wt4j9dr8bt3y
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87. 13:19 dreamreal menongaHela567@
88. 13:19 dreamreal I'm really glad my irc client renders all my passwords as asterisks
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90. 13:21 sbalmos dreamreal: ***********
91. 13:21 dreamreal see? Exactly! We must use the same IRC client
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95. 13:58 dreamreal https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/06/roseau-catches-breaking-changes-before-your-clients-do
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121. 22:16 NeXeN what if a password prompt were to render your password as random other characters and numbers and letters, then maybe sometimes a 1 in 3 chance it outputs 2 or 0 characters or 1 but always randomness so someone looking over your shoulder taking notes will be wasting their time
122. 22:17 jreicher Oh wow. That puts me in mind of scramble suits from A Scanner Darkly
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