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  66. dreamreal yo dmlloyd you around?
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  88. jbosmans i'm interested to hear about any companies investing in the JEE ecosystem vs something like (say) spring
  89. jbosmans fwiw JEE has great standards so "just" using any of them doesn't count, *only* using those JEE standards does :)
  90. dreamreal What do you mean by "investing," though? You're looking for people who purposefully limit themselves artifically to jakarta.* specs only?
  91. Para Would paying Oracle for their products count?
  92. jbosmans i don't understand the confusion about something being JEE only, or something else that (only) supports it (eg spring)?
  93. jbosmans Para, not sure, i seem to remember changing a bunch of import not too long ago :)
  94. dreamreal jbosmans: well, the thing is, you can deploy spring apps into jee appservers and be fully compliant with the intent
  95. jbosmans yeah ofc dreamreal
  96. jbosmans over here, only one more project left to upgrade to spring framework 7 :)
  97. jbosmans dreamreal, didn't mean to underestimate the value of JEE, far from it, but besides "legacy clients", is there that much JEE demand anymore? (fwiw legacy clients is an extremely valid niche)
  98. jbosmans aka i understand the value of being able to change JEE vendors (a lot), but, i don't think that's something that often happens?
  99. dreamreal depends on the development process: in-house, migration probably happens almost never
  100. dreamreal but component vendors are likely to deploy server-neutral components
  101. jbosmans what do you mean by server-neutral? as in it could be any JEE compliant server?
  102. jbosmans fwiw, i'm not sure many EAR files could be deployed to a new app server day-to-day in any case, not to say it isn't a noble (and worthwhile) goal
  103. cheeser "nobody" uses JEE appservers anymore.
  104. jbosmans don't think i said that :)
  105. jbosmans i remember writing java 1.4 when java 7 was out etc, so, yeah
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