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  1. dreamreal mill
  2. dreamreal amper
  3. dreamreal bld
  4. dreamreal maven
  5. dreamreal gradle
  6. dreamreal oh, crap and croodle.
  7. dreamreal maven is a build tool for many languages, but focusing particularly on JVM languages; it prefers convention over configuration and is horribly stable and the build files tend to be horribly verbose. If you need it to work, this is your tool.
  8. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated maven.
  9. dreamreal maven.url=https://maven.apache.org
  10. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated maven.
  11. dreamreal maven.tag=build tool,xml,jvm
  12. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated maven.
  13. dreamreal gradle is a build tool for many languages; it uses a Groovy or Kotlin DSL, and provides a configurable as well as a conventional build model. It's very terse but can be absolutely maddening if you color outside the lines at all.
  14. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated gradle.
  15. dreamreal gradle.url=https://gradle.org
  16. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated gradle.
  17. dreamreal gradle.tag=build tool,groovy,kotlin,jvm
  18. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated gradle.
  19. dreamreal ant is one of the oldest Java build tools, generally supplanting make for Java; XML-based and fully imperative, it does exactly what you tell it and nothing more, which means dependency management is your problem (see: Ivy). New projects should use something else.
  20. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ant.
  21. dreamreal ant.url=https://ant.apache.org
  22. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ant.
  23. dreamreal ant.tag=build tool,xml,jvm,legacy,ivy
  24. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ant.
  25. dreamreal mill is a Scala-based build tool with a cleaner composability model than Gradle and genuine modularity baked in from the start. Requires comfort with Scala concepts, but rewards that investment with a build system that mostly behaves like it should. But then: Scala.
  26. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mill.
  27. dreamreal mill.url=https://mill-build.org
  28. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mill.
  29. dreamreal mill.tag=build tool,scala,jvm,kotlin
  30. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mill.
  31. dreamreal bld is a build tool where build logic is written in pure Java — no Groovy, no Kotlin, no Scala, no XML. If you already know Java, you already know how to write your build. Part of the RIFE2 ecosystem.
  32. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated bld.
  33. dreamreal bld.url=https://rife2.com/bld
  34. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated bld.
  35. dreamreal bld.tag=build tool,java,jvm
  36. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated bld.
  37. dreamreal amper is JetBrains' experimental YAML-configured build tool, currently in preview and aimed primarily at Kotlin and Kotlin Multiplatform projects. Opinionated in ways that will either feel liberating or confining depending on whether your project fits the mold. Not yet ready for general production use.
  38. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated amper.
  39. dreamreal amper.url=https://www.jetbrains.com/amper/
  40. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated amper.
  41. dreamreal amper.tag=build tool,yaml,kotlin,experimental
  42. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated amper.
  43. dreamreal savant is a Groovy DSL build tool with a plugin-as-dependency model and explicit per-machine JDK configuration. New enough that its differentiating value over Gradle, Mill, Amper, and Bld is not yet clear. Documentation was incomplete at launch. Worth watching; too early to recommend.
  44. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated savant.
  45. dreamreal savant.url=https://savantbuild.org
  46. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated savant.
  47. dreamreal savant.tag=build tool,groovy,jvm,new
  48. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated savant.
  49. dreamreal ivy is Apache Ant's dependency manager, bolted on to give Ant what it was missing. If you're reaching for Ivy you're probably already committed to an Ant build that you can't escape. Consider this a sign.
  50. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ivy.
  51. dreamreal ivy.url=https://ant.apache.org/ivy/
  52. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ivy.
  53. dreamreal ivy.tag=dependency management,jvm,ant,legacy
  54. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated ivy.
  55. dreamreal rife2 is a full-stack Java web framework descended from the original RIFE framework, built around minimizing boilerplate and keeping everything in plain Java. Also the home of bld. Opinionated, coherent, and focused on a continuations model.
  56. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated rife2.
  57. dreamreal rife2.url=https://rife2.com
  58. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated rife2.
  59. dreamreal rife2.tag=framework,java,jvm,web
  60. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated rife2.
  61. dreamreal bld
  62. nevet bld is a build tool where build logic is written in pure Java — no Groovy, no Kotlin, no Scala, no XML. If you already know Java, you already know how to write your build. Part of the RIFE2 ecosystem. URL: https://rife2.com/bld Tags: build tool, java, and jvm
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  71. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New issue #301: Consider optional Webmention support (deferred) - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/301
  72. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New issue #302: Add read-focused service-mcp with factoid command generation - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/302
  73. dreamreal heh, that's a duplicate issue (302)
  74. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #303: Extract factoid read contracts for blog resolver pipeline - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/303
  75. dreamreal today hebrew
  76. nevet Today is Monday, 5 Nissan, 5786 (Hebrew)
  77. Chronos Today is a Japanese car manufacturer
  78. Chronos Where did blue go?
  79. dreamreal got frustrated that I didn't fix factoid syntax the way he wanted
  80. dreamreal "foo is bar" -- YOU CAN'T DO THAT! IS IS EVERYWHERE!
  81. dreamreal decided that was a breaking point for him, that the responses weren't conciliatory as he wanted
  82. dreamreal infobots haven't existed for 40 years and a' that
  83. dreamreal blue is good people but has a relatively low open and agreeable personality from what I've seen
  84. dreamreal He has good ideas and purposes, but he's easily frustrated when he doesn't get his way
  85. dreamreal so for factoids, he wants a prefix: !factoid foo etc., which is NOT a bad idea, honestly
  86. dreamreal but the problem is that infobots HAVE existed since IRC was a thing
  87. Chronos Oh, hmmm, that's too bad, he was interesting.
  88. dreamreal he is, I'm trying to convince him the world doesn't have to dance to his tune
  89. dreamreal So what do YOU think? How do YOU see working with the bot?
  90. Chronos I haven't really been paying too much attention; life keeping me too busy and distracted
  91. dreamreal certainly understandable
  92. Chronos From what I see above, though, looks quite good
  93. dreamreal well, there're two different possibilities: he wants operations to be scoped for clarity, but that's not how infobots typically work, since they're supposed to be human-ish
  94. dreamreal like, if you have to EXPLICITLY invoke karma, that's a lot; the "ideal infobot" doesn't use a trigger at all, it just infers proper usage, but that gets noisy FAST if it's populated well
  95. dreamreal so a light trigger with human-centric operation is the ideal, depending
  96. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #304: Adding MCP endpoint, cleaning up OTP - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/304
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  99. dreamreal version
  100. nevet nevet 1.0 | fb6457e (main) | Built 2026-03-23 10:13:05 EDT
  101. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #305: feat 297 otp cleanup and 289 mcp eval - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/305
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  104. dreamreal version
  105. nevet nevet 1.0 | af40b8a (main) | Built 2026-03-23 10:17:19 EDT
  106. dreamreal some failures still, working on 'em
  107. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #306: Fixing incomplete mapping for paging - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/306
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  110. dreamreal okay, MCP services are *enabled!*
  111. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #307: Adding more notes for agentic replies - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/307
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  114. dreamreal mcp is the Model Context Protocol — an open standard by Anthropic for connecting AI models to external tools and data sources via a structured client/server interface.
  115. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  116. dreamreal mcp.url=https://modelcontextprotocol.io
  117. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  118. dreamreal mcp.tags=ai,protocols
  119. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  120. dreamreal https://bytecode.news/posts/2026/03/bytecode-news-now-has-an-mcp-server
  121. dreamreal mcp is the Model Context Protocol - an open standard by Anthropic for connecting AI models to external tools and data sources via a structured client/server interface.
  122. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  123. dreamreal mcp.url=https://modelcontextprotocol.io
  124. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  125. dreamreal mcp.tags=ai,protocols
  126. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated mcp.
  127. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #308: Some more tuning for the MCP endpoints - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/308
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  130. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New issue #309: Document MCP /mcp JSON-RPC endpoint in OpenAPI - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/309
  131. dreamreal jep 516
  132. nevet jep 516: Ahead-of-Time Object Caching with Any GC (https://openjdk.org/jeps/516)
  133. dreamreal jep 517
  134. nevet jep 517: HTTP/3 for the HTTP Client API (https://openjdk.org/jeps/517)
  135. dreamreal jep 500
  136. nevet jep 500: Prepare to Make Final Mean Final (https://openjdk.org/jeps/500)
  137. dreamreal jep 504
  138. nevet jep 504: Remove the Applet API (https://openjdk.org/jeps/504)
  139. dreamreal 70 is the Java classfile format number for Java 26.
  140. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated 70.
  141. dreamreal jep 504
  142. nevet jep 504 is Remove the Applet API. URL: https://openjdk.org/jeps/504
  143. dreamreal feed add https://bytecode.news
  144. nevet Error: No RSS/Atom feed found at https://bytecode.news
  145. dreamreal oh ho!
  146. dreamreal feed add https://bytecode.news/feed.xml
  147. nevet Added feed "ByteCode.News" with 20 entries
  148. dreamreal feed subscribe https://bytecode.news/feed.xml
  149. nevet Subscribed to "ByteCode.News"
  150. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New issue #310: Feed discovery fails for bytecode.news root URL - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/310
  151. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New PR #311: Fixing RSS feed discovery - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/pull/311
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  154. dreamreal Okay, feed discovery should be gooder
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  158. dreamreal today
  159. dreamreal version
  160. dreamreal version
  161. nevet nevet 1.0 | 544314f (main) | Built 2026-03-23 13:02:19 EDT
  162. dreamreal calc 2+4
  163. dreamreal calc 2+4
  164. nevet The result of 2+4 is: 6.0
  165. bot [jottinger/bytecode.news] New issue #312: Increase coverage for DeriveTagsOperation and AdminUserController - https://github.com/jottinger/bytecode.news/issues/312
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  167. jbosmans hi nevet
  168. dreamreal poem greeting
  169. nevet a poem: Morning light spills through the door,/A smile, a wave, nothing more—/Yet in that simple, sweet hello,/Two souls meet and gently glow.
  170. dreamreal a poem: Morning light spills through the door,/A smile, a wave, nothing more—/Yet in that simple, sweet hello,/Two souls meet and gently glow.
  171. nevet Analysis: This poem follows an AABB rhyme scheme with iambic tetrameter (four iambic feet per line). It's a quatrain, a four-line stanza, exploring the intimate connection found in a brief greeting. The regular meter and rhyme create a gentle, harmonious tone matching the tender subject matter.
  172. dreamreal tamboui
  173. nevet tamboui is a Java TUI framework inspired by Rust's ratatui; offers immediate-mode rendering, a managed event loop, and a declarative DSL. GraalVM native compatible. Snapshot only; APIs unstable. URL: https://tamboui.dev/ Tag: consoleio See also: lanterna, jexer, textio, and zircon
  174. dreamreal maven
  175. nevet maven is a build tool for many languages, but focusing particularly on JVM languages; it prefers convention over configuration and is horribly stable and the build files tend to be horribly verbose. If you need it to work, this is your tool. URL: https://maven.apache.org Tags: build tool, xml, and jvm
  176. jbosmans nice :-)
  177. dreamreal tag build tool
  178. nevet Factoids tagged 'build tool': amper, ant, bld, gradle, maven, mill, and savant
  179. jbosmans help
  180. dreamreal no help, unfortunately, because the resultset is too big
  181. dreamreal there're probably 40 operations
  182. jbosmans oh right
  183. dreamreal today
  184. nevet Today is Monday, March 23, 2026
  185. dreamreal version
  186. nevet nevet 1.0 | 544314f (main) | Built 2026-03-23 13:02:19 EDT
  187. jbosmans botwise could be useful
  188. dreamreal what do you mean?
  189. jbosmans encouraging adoption
  190. jbosmans sorta like "cmd --help" etc
  191. dreamreal oh, yeah
  192. jbosmans maybe response as PM ?
  193. jbosmans if feasible ^
  194. dreamreal well, I have a parser in place, so adding such things is more doable than it was: PM is rough because IRC is easy to overwhelm
  195. jbosmans spring shell ?
  196. jbosmans although that's kinda .. not there yet i guess
  197. dreamreal the bot is not really a shell application
  198. dreamreal it has a console but it's pretty simple, you wouldn't use it for more than bootstrapping
  199. jbosmans well it kinda could be
  200. dreamreal you wouldn't RUN THE SYSTEM to add a factoid, you'd run the system to set up ingress where you could set factoids
  201. jbosmans input -> output
  202. dreamreal sure
  203. dreamreal but it's a big system: you wouldn't ... well, what I just said
  204. dreamreal you *could* but why
  205. jbosmans yeah no i understand
  206. dreamreal if it stopped once you added a factoid, why did you add a factoid: you'd want to provide access
  207. jbosmans that'd depend on the command implementation i guess
  208. jbosmans i was just wondering how to get an overview of what i can do with nevet
  209. jbosmans irc-wise it's usually !help or a PM !help or ..
  210. dreamreal yeah, I know, it's a problem
  211. jbosmans like ChanServ let's say
  212. jbosmans nah it's not a problem
  213. dreamreal I don't have a good solution yet. Chanserv has access a bot like nevet does not.
  214. jbosmans Rome wasn't built in a day :)
  215. dreamreal Chanserv *cannot flood itself* off of irc.
  216. dreamreal nevet can, and trivially so.
  217. jbosmans "a simple Stream.limit()"
  218. jbosmans famous last words ^ :)
  219. dreamreal yeah.
  220. dreamreal It's not been unthought of.
  221. jbosmans i don't doubt it
  222. jbosmans is there a webpage or alike?
  223. jbosmans poem hamburger
  224. nevet a poem: Sizzle and smoke, the patty sings,/Between soft buns, joy it brings./Lettuce crisp and pickles tart,/This simple stack—a work of art.
  225. a poem: Sizzle and smoke, the patty sings,/Between soft buns, joy it brings./Lettuce crisp and pickles tart,/This simple stack—a work of art.
  226. nevet Analysis: This poem is written in iambic tetrameter with an AABB rhyme scheme (couplets). It's a quatrain, a four-line stanza form. The regular meter and simple rhyme structure create a light, playful tone befitting its subject matter—a hamburger.
  227. jbosmans haha great
  228. dreamreal bytecode.news!
  229. dreamreal That's the website! It's driven BY nevet. It's all one application.
  230. jbosmans https://bytecode.news/factoids?q=spring
  231. jbosmans no results found
  232. dreamreal spring
  233. dreamreal sec
  234. jbosmans nothing to rush about
  235. dreamreal this codebase and the data repository is NOT old
  236. jbosmans :D
  237. dreamreal spring is Java application framework providing a DI container and vast ecosystem of modules. Foundation for Spring Boot, Spring Security, Spring Data, Spring Integration, and more.
  238. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  239. dreamreal spring.url=https://spring.io/projects/spring-framework
  240. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  241. dreamreal spring.tags=java,framework,di,ioc
  242. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  243. dreamreal spring is a Java application framework providing a DI container and vast ecosystem of modules. Foundation for Spring Boot, Spring Security, Spring Data, Spring Integration, and more.
  244. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  245. dreamreal spring.url=https://spring.io/projects/spring-framework
  246. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  247. dreamreal spring.tags=java,framework,di,ioc
  248. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring.
  249. dreamreal spring boot is an opinionated convention-over-configuration layer on Spring. Auto-configuration, embedded servers, starter dependencies. De facto standard for Java microservices and web apps.
  250. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring boot.
  251. dreamreal spring boot.url=https://spring.io/projects/spring-boot
  252. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring boot.
  253. dreamreal spring boot.tags=java,framework,microservices,web
  254. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated spring boot.
  255. dreamreal quarkus is a Kubernetes-native Java framework from Red Hat. GraalVM native-first, fast startup, low memory. CDI-based with MicroProfile support. Designed for containers and serverless.
  256. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated quarkus.
  257. dreamreal quarkus.url=https://quarkus.io
  258. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated quarkus.
  259. dreamreal quarkus.tags=java,framework,microservices,graalvm,kubernetes
  260. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated quarkus.
  261. dreamreal there
  262. dreamreal micronaut is a JVM framework from Object Computing targeting fast startup and low memory without GraalVM required. Compile-time DI and AOP — no reflection at runtime. Supports Java, Kotlin, and Groovy.
  263. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated micronaut.
  264. dreamreal micronaut.url=https://micronaut.io
  265. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated micronaut.
  266. dreamreal micronaut.tags=java,kotlin,groovy,framework,microservices
  267. nevet ok, dreamreal: updated micronaut.
  268. dreamreal I have one channel absolutely polluted with stuff like that :D
  269. jbosmans 2 factoids about spring! https://bytecode.news/factoids?q=spring
  270. dreamreal yes, spring and spring boot are not the same thing
  271. jbosmans i'd consider showing them (maybe partially) in the search results (eventually)
  272. jbosmans oh, i thought they were
  273. dreamreal What do you mean?
  274. jbosmans i was just kidding :) well, depending on what you responded to
  275. jbosmans ah
  276. jbosmans on the side
  277. jbosmans ah
  278. jbosmans *site
  279. dreamreal Well, considering they're different selectors that actually represent different factoids, they shoudl be two entries
  280. jbosmans i'd suggest showing the result content up to certain degree in the search results
  281. dreamreal Ido have redirection
  282. dreamreal you mean, include the factoid content as part of the display of the factoid?
  283. jbosmans no, of the search results like for https://bytecode.news/factoids?q=spring
  284. jbosmans only the first 10 or 50 or 100 or ..
  285. jbosmans given it's static content
  286. dreamreal Right, that's what I'm talking about: like, if it has a url property, make the link active, and if it has a text property, maybe include some of it
  287. dreamreal it's not static, but yeah
  288. jbosmans it's not ?
  289. dreamreal ALL of bytecode.news is generated
  290. dreamreal dynamically
  291. dreamreal even the features at the bottom
  292. jbosmans on every request ? :s
  293. jbosmans i mean
  294. dreamreal it's controlled by api.bytecode.news/features
  295. jbosmans like, not by an llm i hope ?
  296. dreamreal it's not by an LLM, no
  297. dreamreal it's a REST backend
  298. jbosmans yeah so that's standard
  299. dreamreal the front end queries the backend for what to render and how
  300. jbosmans (i'd say)
  301. dreamreal well, there's also an SSR - reference.bytecode.news is an SSR representation
  302. jbosmans you could put a caching thing in front of that
  303. dreamreal That's sort of what happens
  304. dreamreal you see how fast it renders
  305. dreamreal it actually tracks updates so the actual webapp has "live data" and it caches what is relatively constant
  306. jbosmans yeah it does
  307. jbosmans and i noticed because i (think i try to) make the same effort for same reasons in my projects
  308. jbosmans nicely done ^